tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post5901571928520459109..comments2024-03-28T07:28:58.459-07:00Comments on The Breeding-back Blog: The European water buffalo / water buffalo in Europe Daniel Foidlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02924677790606716751noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-63532285979227899802024-02-19T13:02:47.985-08:002024-02-19T13:02:47.985-08:00Many images here:
https://www.inaturalist.org/obse...Many images here:<br />https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=7613&taxon_id=42242<br /><br />I made a mistake in my initial post, this race of swamp buffalo not only lives in China but also mostly in Hong Kong. Is there any news on this breeding project?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-57006454255712736442024-02-06T10:41:02.317-08:002024-02-06T10:41:02.317-08:00Another video on these buffaloes.
https://youtu.be...Another video on these buffaloes.<br />https://youtu.be/dQq-I2_zK8k?si=-8h7BXcg7vupGBUrAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-93380369582173962024-02-04T13:56:19.858-08:002024-02-04T13:56:19.858-08:00Very late to the party here, but while passing thr...Very late to the party here, but while passing through the older posts from this blog I came across this one. Apparently those domestic European river buffaloes will be crossed with swamp buffaloes or kerabau from Southeast Asia. Even though they would be hard to obtain probably the better option from these southeast Asian animals is too use ones from China, because they can occur at a more northerly latitude than other pure swamp buffaloes in Southeast Asia. <br /><br />A lot of these buffaloes are feral, which could be useful for reintroductions, but also there are tamed ones. <br /><br />A good bull:<br />https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/197673490Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-14493252454731591522023-10-02T21:44:32.721-07:002023-10-02T21:44:32.721-07:00Buffaloes are the resilient giants of the grasslan...Buffaloes are the resilient giants of the grasslands, embodying strength and harmony in the wild.Animal lover influencershttps://deshiinfluencer.com/animal-lovers/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-13288232994758358512021-12-08T13:22:38.448-08:002021-12-08T13:22:38.448-08:00European water buffalo:
https://prehistoric-fauna....European water buffalo:<br />https://prehistoric-fauna.com/Bubalus-murrensisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-22722644569076440822021-08-13T20:24:42.166-07:002021-08-13T20:24:42.166-07:00Water Buffalo:
https://truenaturefoundation.org/wa...Water Buffalo:<br />https://truenaturefoundation.org/water-buffalo/<br />https://truenaturefoundation.org/project/laguna-del-canizar/<br />https://truenaturefoundation.org/project/danube-delta-ukraine/<br />https://truenaturefoundation.org/project/coto-donana/<br />https://truenaturefoundation.org/project/valle-del-bisonte-spain/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-24022336666909046002018-01-18T10:07:44.119-08:002018-01-18T10:07:44.119-08:00Do we know for sure that the cranial material is f...Do we know for sure that the cranial material is from a male? It looks reminiscent of female wild buffalo horns to me.RhysLemoinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07185462416597856043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-72011931972007711592017-12-31T09:27:12.860-08:002017-12-31T09:27:12.860-08:00Hi,
Anyone knows anything recent about the reintro...Hi,<br />Anyone knows anything recent about the reintroductions of the water buffaloes? It is hard to come by, TNF has nothing recent on the website (or I do not know how to search)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-79918355007128727462017-01-21T13:52:49.094-08:002017-01-21T13:52:49.094-08:00The original European landscape is still a hot and...The original European landscape is still a hot and ideological debate. The one side claims it was a closed canopy forest, the other side propagates a european Savanna. I think that both extremes are not well supported and that the truth probably lay somewhere inbetween, as so often. <br />As for the aurochs in particular, I think that it was very much comparable to domestic cattle. Isotopes suggest that historical aurochs lived in a more swampy habitat, but that might be the result of habitat loss due to humans (the best areas being occupied by humans and their cattle). The aurochs was a hypsodont grazer, so it probably needed open fields, but modern cattle also use woods for shelter. But they spend most of the time in open areas, and so probably did the aurochs IMO. <br />What we can also say is that the aurochs probably tended to be more of a lowland/wetland species than the wisent, which is more adapted to dry mountainous habitat than cattle. That's probably the way those two wild bovines divided their ecological niches in Europe. Daniel Foidlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02924677790606716751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-58933236036034187192017-01-21T04:00:46.755-08:002017-01-21T04:00:46.755-08:00Great article, Daniel. Slightly off-topic, but do ...Great article, Daniel. Slightly off-topic, but do you have a view on likely habitat use by aurochs? Some commentators insist it was a 'forest' species, others insist that it was a 'floodplain / wetland' species, whereas I suspect it was more of an open habitat species, which likely wandered down to floodplains and rivers and used woodland cover too. I suspect that it would have been keen on open dry grassy areas with lots of, well, grass. I think closed-canopy forest would have been too shady to support aurochs and that floodplains would have been packed with water buffalos.<br /><br />I wrote a piece on my blog recently suggesting the introduction of back-bred aurochs and an appropriate wild-type horse stand-in at Stonehenge in the UK:<br />https://naturalareasblog.wordpress.com/2017/01/15/a-serengeti-at-stonehenge/<br />What I didn't suggest here was a surrogate for European water buffalo, yet the area has rivers dissecting with reasonable floodplains. <br />Steve Joneshttps://naturalareasblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-70046449000366917862016-08-15T14:14:30.927-07:002016-08-15T14:14:30.927-07:00It is worth pointing out that domestic buffalo bel...It is worth pointing out that domestic buffalo belong to two very different types and probably had two different ancestor species. The evolutionary history of Bubalus seems to be poorly understood, as illustrated by the fact that wild and feral buffalo apparently co-exist in Sri Lanka without much interbreeding.vdinetshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17859400777586965277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-72968513864582546682015-07-13T08:50:46.711-07:002015-07-13T08:50:46.711-07:00Hi, I think directly at the very bottom, but I am ...Hi, I think directly at the very bottom, but I am not sure. I haven't subscribed other blogs on blogger yet. However, I have 2 followers so I think it must be possible somewhere... Perhaps also via RSS, but I have no idea, perhaps google provides help. Daniel Foidlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02924677790606716751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-75999446115285359422015-07-13T01:44:30.475-07:002015-07-13T01:44:30.475-07:00How can I subscribe to your blog, Daniel? I can...How can I subscribe to your blog, Daniel? I can't see a link button.Tim Holt-Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13679512754779338962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-25126381870411478662015-07-04T04:05:49.810-07:002015-07-04T04:05:49.810-07:00I addressed the point of a possible les affaire as...I addressed the point of a possible les affaire assignation to Bos or Bison of what may be Bubalus remains in my article. But what is lacking in any case are crania. The skull is the most solid and largest "bone" (in fact its composed of dozens of bones) of a bovine and therefore likely to be preserved, that's why we have hundreds of aurochs skulls. And a Bubalus skull or horn cores would never be misidentified as Bos or Bison. Moreover, Bubalus are wetland dwellers which are the best habitat for fossilization, so this species probably should have a solid fossil record too if it really still existed late into the Holocene, even if it was not very common. <br />But of course a genetic test for "suspicious" material would be desirable. Daniel Foidlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02924677790606716751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-30582664497788734202015-07-04T00:14:15.130-07:002015-07-04T00:14:15.130-07:00Thank you Daniel for this post.
The fact that the ...Thank you Daniel for this post.<br />The fact that the scientific evidence is week regarding one species does not mean that it did not existed in Europe, most bone discoveries of the bovid family are associated with bos or bison imediatly disregarding the possibility of being Bubalus. To resolve this, only genetic investigation (if possible) would resolve this issue and possibly the result would be quite surprising and would also help to clearly define if murrensis was a species of its own, a regional version of arnae or maybe even closer to mindorensis. After this a clear definition and reintroduction plan could be set considering the results of this investigation.<br />What is clear for me now is that in Europe giving the present climatic conditions there are absolutely no problems in the presence of this species widespread through temperate and mediterranean regions as the domestic version prooves. <br />One thing more I would like to know, if the organizations that want to introduce this species made these sort of investigation and in what are they basing their statements. <br />Anyway I am very curious to see the results in the future and to see these water bufallos once again roaming wild in this continent.<br />My best regards<br />João Ferro<br />João Ferrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00063093928645460505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-20420659681144088752015-07-02T00:00:07.157-07:002015-07-02T00:00:07.157-07:00Awesome article! Very informational! I hope that T...Awesome article! Very informational! I hope that TNF provides us with more photo's and info on their website or something. Currently they have just one photo about their waterbuffalon project, which is a bit sparse....Also, it is't clear, to me at least, where they are going to release these animals once they have bred a considerable number. It would be cool to see other oganisations taking an interest in waterbuffalo too. Thanks for writing the article. ;-) I hope to see more on this topic in the futureJeffreyKnoreply@blogger.com