tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post4525504075781668555..comments2024-03-28T07:28:58.459-07:00Comments on The Breeding-back Blog: Cattle are "designer aurochs"Daniel Foidlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02924677790606716751noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-82627266308846520972018-12-13T03:11:18.131-08:002018-12-13T03:11:18.131-08:00But I still like the comparison, because it´s done...But I still like the comparison, because it´s done between a particular Maronesa bull and the aurochs. It doesn´t tell anything about how aurochs alike Maronesa can get, though, but in essence, what´s different between that bull and the aurochs, in your opinion. I liked the post.Geog Marinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324907372468732650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-53995459340234599842018-12-13T03:04:33.636-08:002018-12-13T03:04:33.636-08:00
Ok... That have longer legs, that have bigger and...<br />Ok... That have longer legs, that have bigger and longer head/muzzle, that have bigger horns, etc...<br /><br />Plus Iberian aurochs was between 140-170 cm. Males had on average between 155-160 cm.<br /><br />Geog Marinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324907372468732650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-24272535636106706332018-12-13T01:02:06.201-08:002018-12-13T01:02:06.201-08:00It might be the case that there are Maronesa bulls...It might be the case that there are Maronesa bulls that are slightly less bulky and have longer legs, but that doesn't change much after all. Daniel Foidlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02924677790606716751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-55717274906588493892018-12-12T10:48:34.619-08:002018-12-12T10:48:34.619-08:00By what I can clearly discern, there are more auro...By what I can clearly discern, there are more aurochs alike Maronesa bulls on google pictures, but this analysis was still interesting. Geog Marinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324907372468732650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-63145816948086194772018-12-03T11:25:38.003-08:002018-12-03T11:25:38.003-08:00-horns :
don't think it's that hard to fi...-horns : <br />don't think it's that hard to find some pictures of cows with horns about like this<br /><br />-skeleton :<br />I think this Maronesa individual is really good.<br />Just some tweaks at the skull, maybe the hind legs...<br />but maybe there are bigger differences from the front ?<br /><br />-brain :<br />Well, one could compare skeletons. Assumedly they would be of same size, where should an Auroch have the space for all that extra-brain ?<br /><br />eyes :<br />If crossed with bigger cattle, could this result in giant eyes or not ?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-37104040397350639182018-12-02T15:07:49.524-08:002018-12-02T15:07:49.524-08:00Daniel is there any way I could get your email or ...Daniel is there any way I could get your email or contact information? I believe I had it at one point but have since lost it. Would like to get in contact with you about our projects in the US.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01875027100696739649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-58616002206780096532018-11-28T00:09:44.356-08:002018-11-28T00:09:44.356-08:00"Some thoughts about that Maronesa-bull :&quo..."Some thoughts about that Maronesa-bull :" <br />There is an expressed s. dimorphism in horns in this breed, just look. <br /><br />"Ignoring soft tissue the silhouette looks much Auroch-like to me, <br />with resemblance to the Vic or Torsac-Dirac, with a hump similar to the latter."<br />It is obvious even from the living animal that there are also considerable differences in the skeleton between an aurochs and Maronesa. <br /><br />""...the brain volume is reduced..."<br />I doubt that this is the case at this bull in particular, in comparison to it's size."<br />Basic trait of domestic animals impossible to guess from a photo. <br /><br />""...eyes are enlarged..."<br />Or they stayed the same while anything else got shrunken."<br />Rather pointless question. Daniel Foidlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02924677790606716751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-30483378970419999322018-11-22T12:24:10.353-08:002018-11-22T12:24:10.353-08:00I think the compared traits fall into different ca...I think the compared traits fall into different categories.<br />There are comparisions based on fossils, these are the most stable.<br />Horn-shape for example.<br />There are comparision based on drawings and other descriptions.<br />The colour...<br />And then assumptions based on comparision with other domestic animals.<br />Maybe belly-size.<br /><br /><br />Some thoughts about that Maronesa-bull :<br />"The horn curvature is very reminiscent of the wildtype, any differences might be linked to developmental delay..."<br />If there are cows with similar horns, then maybe sexual dimorphism isn't expressed that much in this breed - regarding the horns.<br /><br />"The morphology of this modified designer aurochs bull, however, reveals some deep-going changes in this individual."<br />Ignoring soft tissue the silhouette looks much Auroch-like to me, <br />with resemblance to the Vic or Torsac-Dirac, with a hump similar to the latter.<br /><br />"The limbs and the skull of the bull are considerably shortened or reduced in size..."<br />It's just a vague impression, i think the Auroch may have had stronger hind quarters than this Maronesa.<br />I cannot really estimate this, however in Auroch-skeletons the hind legs tend to be mounted in a somewhat crouching manner.<br />So Aurochs could have had compareable long Tibia and Femur, without getting high-butted.<br /><br />"...the brain volume is reduced..."<br />I doubt that this is the case at this bull in particular, in comparison to it's size.<br />Assumedly this animal would be Auroch-sized, it doesn't look as if the forehead would be shorter, and it even looks somewhat convex.<br /><br />"...eyes are enlarged..."<br />Or they stayed the same while anything else got shrunken.<br />Not all parts of an animal can be scaled at the same degree without causing health-issues...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1222590081823739642.post-25254149634398374672018-11-19T11:40:09.739-08:002018-11-19T11:40:09.739-08:00I found an interesting Piney Woods Heifer calf tha...I found an interesting Piney Woods Heifer calf that is currently being offered for sale that struck me as odd. She is a weanling but her confirmation is off but not unhealthy looking with a very humpy shaped back and shoulder area, more like a bison. She is mostly black with tan inside the ears and inside of her legs and just a little white stripe. She doesn't quite look like a normal cow. I would be willing to buy her and hold her for someone interested in her odd traits or look her up in the Huntsville Alabama craigslist ads. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03520882719665642621noreply@blogger.com